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this, made a $25,000 donation. >> arianna was there, of course. >> the best. >> and many more and we had a great time there. what did you learn, mike? >> i learned that what i'm going to be doing tonight at 9:00 is watching hbo "the battle for marjah." >> and pat buchanan, what have you learned? >> listen to the same fellow, ben, a stalemate in afghanistan and a stalemate in that budget battle as well, joe. >> no dough abobt about it. >> willie, i think we learned the same thing. >> don't do it. >> that michael vick is a great dad. barnicle knows the family intimately. they summer together up on the cape. >> another example of men saying stupid things and constantly getting rewarded for it all the time. >> he is a really, really good father. >> you know, if you don't believe me, just ask his kids. >> just be quiet. >> hey, if it's way too early, willie, what time is it? >> it's "morning joe." we'll see you tomorrow. "daily rundown" right now.
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>> a violent crackdown in bahrain. police move in. at least three are dead, 60 are missing. more reporters are attacked as this revolution in the middle east spreads. here at home, the president takes his budget battle to enemy territory, challenging key republican congressmen with interviews airing in their own home turf. and congresswoman giffords as made remarkable progress, but how remarkable? enough that she could run for the united states senate in 2012? we're going to talk to one of her closest friends in congress about a political fund-raiser that she is helping to plan for giffords. it's thursday, february 17th, 2011. i'm chuck todd. a very busy day, my friend. >> it is very busy. good morning, everyone. i'm savannah guthrie. and the stunning revelation from senator scott brown. he talks candidly about enduring sexual abuse as a child in an
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interview. we'll have more on that in a minute. but first, we'll start with the crackdown on bahrain. the tiny kingdom roughly the size of dallas, texas, now at the heart of anti-government protests that have shaken the middle east. the army says it has locked down key parts of the capital today and banned gatherings following a brutal crackdown on thousands of mainly shiite protesters there earlier today. at least three people were killed, 231 hurt, 60 more said to be missing. an abc reporter, miguel marquez, was attacked while reporting live last night. you can hear what happened. >> the whole thing -- police officers moving in a line to clear the square forcefully. no, no, no! [ shouting ] >> i just got beat. >> elsewhere, protests have erupted in yemen for a seventh straight day, where supporters
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and opponents of the government have fought in the streets. and in egypt, the military is still grappling with demands from workers and pro-democracy activists and bracing for tomorrow's demonstrations that will mark one week since mubarak's fall. nbc's ron allen is live in cairo, covering all of these developments. ron, good morning. what's the latest? >> reporter: well, as you said, savannah, here in cairo, we are looking forward to tomorrow, to friday when the organizers of the opposition movement are trying to get a million people back into the streets for the first time in a long time to show that they can do it and keep the pressure up on egypt's new military leaders, who are trying to put things in order here, and trying to do it quickly. most of the action here is now behind the scenes. it's working on constitutional amendments and trying to revamp various political processes here. they're trying to have a referendum in as quickly as two months time, which would be very quick if they can do it. there are protests around the country at work sites, strikes,
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but they are very small compared to what was going on just a few days. it seems that most people, most workers are listening to the call to go back to work, get back to things as normal. this country took a huge hit during those weeks of protest and now people still have a lot of grievances, low wages, poor working conditions, but they're going back to the job and trying to get things moving again. that seems to be what's going on here now. we'll see what happens in tahrir square tomorrow when more protesters come out again. again, they're trying to get as many as 1 million people out. we'll have to see if there's that much energy and enthusiasm still in the crowd. there are still people determined to keep their feet to the fire in this country. >> ron allen in cairo for us. thanks very much. now we want to go to the capital of bahrain immediately. "the new york times'" nick christophe joins us by phone. and i saw your tweet earlier about the crackdown that's taking place by the government. you seem pretty stunned that this government, that was supposedly a moderate regime, is
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doing this to its own people. >> yeah. you expect maybe a government to open fire on people in some remote country, but this is bahrain. this is a banking center. this is an international, cosmo politan city, and then last night the king sent the riot police in and just brutally cracked down on these peaceful protesters. and, you know, the hospital -- i've seen a lot of really wrenching things as a reporter, but the hospital today was just particularly heartbreaking. doctors said that 600 people had been treated there and there were bodies in the morgue with shotgun blasts. one man had his head largely blown off. it's heartbreaking to see this, especially in bahrain.
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>> and nick, i know we have sort of a tough connection here, but is this mostly a shiite -- this is mostly a shiite protest at this point? it's very -- is it more religious based than, for instance, what we saw in egypt and tunisia? >> yeah, the -- bahrain has a sunni king and a sunni royal family that really controls the place. and it's a majority shiite population. and the riot police, when they did attack, they were shouting anti-shiite curses. at the hospital, i could not find a single sunni who had been injured. so there's a definite religious element to this as well. >> all right. nick kristof on the phone, again for us from the capital of bahrain now where this revolution seems to have moved. nick, thank you. back here, the debate over the federal budget, the president took his arguments to the airwaves yesterday, sitting
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down for affiliate interviews in cincinnati and milwaukee. those are the home media markets of john boehner, eric cantor, and paul ryan. >> i think that congress pann ryan is going to have the opportunity to work with me to solve these problems. he hasn't been too specific so far in terms of exactly what he would like to see done. >> well, so far, the republican leader is not convinced. >> when he sends that proposal to the house, dead on arrival? >> it's dead. go gone. over. >> dead, gone, over. >> that's speaker boehner talking about the president's budget. kelly o'donnell is the capitol hill correspondent. there's a house debate right now about this year's budget, and then there's this larger debate about the budget for next year that the president unveiled on monday. >> reporter: and considering the immediate attempt to cut more than $60 billion from the current spending, boy, that has
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been an amazing marathon. the house worked until nearly 4:00 this morning. they're back again, just now at 9:00 a.m., debating it. almost had an auctioneer's type quality with the way it was being presided over, with very fast speaking, very fast votes, moving somewhere of the 50 amendments that are being considered. things from as wide ranging as cuts to the f-35 engine, that the house voted to get rid of. that's been a political hot potato for a long time. to things like trying to restore some funding for certain police programs. cutting programs that might round up mustangs out west. a whole range of different topics. and the leadership on the house side, the gop leadership says they're going to try to get this done today, but they can't tell us when the last votes will occur, because it has really been just an endless process. it's part of what john boehner calls the new culture here, of letting all the house members kind of have their say.
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he says it would be chaotic, it has been to a degree, different than it used to be, but they're moving through it. lots of disagreements within the republican party on this. but it's giving us a chance to see the new sheriff in town. it's very interesting and we'll have congressman george miller on in a few moments. i want to ask you about one other thing. scott brown in a new interview with "60 minutes" makes a very personal confession. tell us about that. >> reporter: he does, and his office is right around the corner, i've seen him a couple of times in the last few days. he has a new book coming up, and in that book, he talks about his childhood, which we knew was filled with some violence in the home, poverty, tough times, but he is now revealing that he was sexually molested by a camp counselor when he was -- in the summer after fourth grade -- about 10 years old. and he sat down with "60 minutes" and revealed that. he'll be on the "today" show on monday. but here's some insight into what scott brown has to say. >> you were actually sexually
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abused? more than once? >> yep. he said, if you tell anybody, you know, i'll kill you. you know, i will make sure that no one believes you. >> and the picture you saw of brown in his red sweats, that was him heading out for a jog this morning. and he's not talking about the substance of the book, but he did say that his wife and mother have now read it and it's the first time they ever knew he had been subjected to sexual abuse as a child. he also talks about physical violence from two of his four stepfathers. he says they were violent toward him as a child. so it's got a lot of detail about a life that's become quite prominent in just the last couple of years. savannah, chuck? >> all right, kelly o'donnell on capitol hill for us this morning, thanks very much. we're going to stick to politics here, but we're going to move across the country. thousands of state workers in wisconsin are expected to descend on the statehouse today, protesting a bill that would strip them of collective bargaining rights and force them
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to pay more for health care and pensions. president obama, actually, weighed in on the controversy during an interview with our milwaukee affiliate, wtmj. >> i would say, as a general proposition, that everybody's got to make some adjustments to new fiscal realities. on the other hand, some of what i've heard coming out of wisconsin, where you're just making it harder for public employees to collectively bargain, generally, seems like more of an assault on unions. and i think it's very important for us to understand that public employees, they're our neighbors. they're our friends. >> well, votes are expected later today in the wisconsin senate and assembly on this bill. there were over 1,000 teachers that called in sick yesterday to protest this bill. we saw thousands of people -- >> the pictures coming out of wisconsin are amazing to see. >> it was something else. by the way, in those interviews, the president made one other piece of news.
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in the richmond interview, asked about tim kaine, the dnc chair, him running for virginia senate, he says, i think he'll do where he can have the most influence. the way he's answering that question tells you that tim kaine is really warming up to running for the senate, more so than anyone thought a week ago. coming up, republicans take a big bite out of the budget. democrats say they're putting the economic recovery on the line. coming up, "the daily rundown" interview with george miller, nancy pelosi's right-hand man. here's a look ahead at the president's schedule. it's a getaway day this afternoon. he's heading out west, overnighting in san francisco, hanging out with business leaders, and then has a big event in portland, oregon, tomorrow. we'll be right back.
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one of the things that the public sector unions don't understand about my approach in new jersey, they think i'm attacking them. i'm attacking the leadership of the union, because they're greedy and they're selfish and self-interested. what i'm doing is to save your pension, to save your health care for the rest of your life. >> new jersey governor chris christie on the offensive yesterday, attacking the left and the right in washington for not making hard fiscal choices. president obama meets with key lawmakers this morning known as the big eight to discuss overhauling the no child left behind education law. >> this meeting comes as strapped states are slashing education budgets and the house prepares to vote to strip billions from the federal budget. george miller is a longtime ally of democratic leader nancy pelosi, and he'll be at that white house meeting today on education. so let's start with what's going on with these budget cuts. tell me about the president's
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budget. can you accept the president's budget? his recommendation for some of these cuts that he has in it, including to pell grants? >> well, i can accept them, but i'm not happy with them. i don't want to pretend that i'm happy with them. i think the year-round pell grant is essential to low-income students who are trying to get their lower division courses out of the way at community colleges as rapidly as they can. that's unfortunate. but there's nothing compared to the cuts that are being made on the house floor that were made last night and again today, which you really see as a tearing up of a longtime bipartisan consensus about funding education for poorer, minority children, about students with disabilities, about improving our teacher corps, and the absolute need for the head start program. and yet we see cuts that are going to throw 250,000 children out of head start, that are
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going to dramatically reduce funding needed to improve the teacher corps, that is so necessary for the reforms that we're all talking about and we'll be talking about at the white house. so that's really effort. and along with zeroing out the job training programs in this country. so there's two things going on here at the same time that make all this a little bit more difficult, but i'm very encouraged by the president getting directly involved in the education debate. the secretary has led these bipartisan meetings in the house and the senate over the last two years. we've been meeting on a regular basis, among the leadership and of the committees in the house and the senate. >> congressman, you mentioned some of the cuts, particularly in education, an issue near and dear to you. and there's no question they're tough and they hurt. but isn't that the very nature of cuts? i suppose the argument is, the federal government is out of money. so you've got to cut somewhere. >> savannah, everybody -- all morning long, people are talking about tough cuts. it's not tough to take money away from a poor child, it's not tough to kick a child out of
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head start. you want to do something tough? take away tax breaks from the hedge fund managers that don't deserve it. you want to do something tough? make the oil companies pay the royalties that the taxpayers of this country are owed. that's tough because they can fight back. head start parents don't get to fight back very much. poor children don't get to fight back very much. people looking for a job don't get to fight back. there's nothing tough about that. and as you know, it's a tiny part of the budget. the big money is elsewhere in this budget and the republicans have decided, this is where they're going to focus. on working people and poor people. that's where all of the cuts come from. >> i was just going to follow up on that. because as you say, there are other places to get money, raising revenue is one. you've named a couple of examples. where would you cut? assuming you agree, there have been to some spending cuts, what would you put on the chopping block? >> there's no question it has to be done, but the idea that this is all going to be done on the cutting side. unfortunately, there was a bipartisan agreement at the end of the last session that we were going to take taxes off of the
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table. and they've essentially been taken off of the table. so where do you zero in? you see these cuts focusing in on the poore esest people in th nation, in the most need of help, and the investments that we have to make so these kids can succeed and our economy can succeed. i just came from a meeting with all of the scientists and engineers about, again, we're continuing to fall back behind other nations. everybody laments it. they just don't want to do anything about it. >> congressman miller, i've got to ask you about the new way house speaker john boehner is running the floor with all of these amendments. as you know, this is a much longer process that we've seen over the last 24/48 hours, skan perhaps the next 24 hours. what do you think? >> it was a pleasure last night working around the clock. this is the way it was when i came here. this is an open rule. this gives people an opportunity to throw up their amendments. i don't agree with them, but we debate them and we can decide one way or the other. it's rather retro.
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we haven't operated this way in probably a decade. but i think it's encouraging, so you can air out these issues and people can have a cans to speak on them and to represent their constituents in the debate. >> so you give him credit for this more open process. i guess that raises the question, why didn't speaker pelosi have such a process? >> i don't know. but the point is, this is where we are now. and the fact of the matter is, this is a way of appropriations. this was shut down -- you know -- i mean, you can go back and forth, so is your uncle, but gingrich sort of shut down the appropriations process and then it deteriorated from there on. >> all right. congressman george miller, one of the longtime members of congress, i don't say how longtime. we'll see you at the white house later today -- >> they keep me up this late at night, i won't be here that much longer. >> congressman miller, good to have you. >> thank you. >> thank you. up next, from hot flashes to motorcycle helmets to chimpanzee breeding, we're actually going to tell you about this entire
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open, crazy amendment process that's been taking place. it's a lot of fun. you've got to check it out next. but first, it's today's washington speak. >> i will venture to explain the miracle and sometimes the horror of compound interest. >> you know, jay carney is right. compound interest really is the stuff of nightmares. everybody knows when you borrow money, you pay interest on that money. well, with compound interest, the interest you owe is then added to the principal and then all new interest is charged on top of that. so it's a vicious cycle of owing more and more. and this is what makes it so much harder for the federal government to balance its budget. >> it was amazing. you know, they're bragging about it, by 2017, the only part of -- the only deficit we'll run, is the interest on the debt. which is like $700 billion! >> it's the whole problem. >> can you imagine that's your minimum payment on your credit card? >> horrifying. if you have some washington speak you would like us to clarify, send us an e-mail,
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as. today the house kicks off day three of what's been a marathon debate. a little retro, as george miller said, to fund the government for the rest of the fiscal year. a grand total of 583 amendments have been filed to modify the convening resolution. he's right, i miss these days. 365 by republicans, 218 by democrats. >> we here would like to congratulate tom mcclintock who is singularly responsible for 43 amendments. he gets our most amendments award. it's 7% of the total. >> he may be a chuvannah nominee later this year. let's get right to the rundown of odd amendments. proposing to end the sponsorship of nascar race cars. number two, cutting any program that checks whether motorcycle riders are wearing their helmets. we've named that one the wind in
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your hair amendment. >> another eliminates cash for chimpanzee breeding. darrell issa has also introduced the "really?" of amendments. one goes that no amendment goes to studying the effects of hot flashes during menopause. >> and no studies may be used to study the current and separate use of malt liquor and marijuana in young adults, concurrent and separate. his language, not ours. we've heard their better together. >> just heard that on the street. >> but the amendment that whins our prize, the proposal to eliminate funding for the president's teleprompter. >> you know, he's going to be here all week, folks. try the veal. your congress at work. republicans are maybe regretting the whole open amendment process. but bring them on, keep them
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coming. >> we saw democratic congressman george miller, he was all for it. it's retro. up next, the whole nation following congresswoman gabby giffords' inspiring recovery. but what does her future hold? could she really be hale enough to run for senate next year? a lot of her colleagues are talking about this, so we'll get into -- >> this is not a media creation, believe it or not. >> no, this is her colleagues. first, today's trivia question from our friends at "the almanac of american politics." which senator pay $18 million to keep a basketball team from leaving his state? >> i love this song. >> the answer and more, coming up on "the daily rundown." we'll be right back. the further into winter we go, the heavier i get. and while your pants struggle to support the heavier you, your roof struggles to support the heavier me. [ chuckles ] and your cut-rate insurance might not pay for this. so get allstate, you could save money and be better protected from mayhem like me. [ dennis ] dollar for dollar nobody protects you from mayhem
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well, six weeks after the tragedy in tucson, some democrats are pushing the idea that congresswoman gabrielle giffords might be a possible contender for the u.s. senate to replace retiring arizona republican senator jon kyl. >> whether it's for a senate run or a house re-election campaign
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in 2012, giffords' friends on capitol hill are already planning a political fund-raiser on her behalf next month so that she can be focused on her recovery. congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz is cohosting that reception march 15th in washington. she's a good friend of congressman giffords and joins us now. thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you for having me, savannah. >> before we get into the issue of fund-raiser and why gabby's friends think this is a good thing to do, let's just ask you. i know you've seen her and i know you've been in that recovery room. what's the latest on her recovery? how's she doing? what can you tell us? >> she's doing really well. i was there a little over a week ago and had a chance to be with her as she works on her speech and occupational and physical therapy. she's working really hard and even since i left, you know, mark has told me that she's made even more progress. she's initiating words, answering responsively. i mean, it's not full-blown dialogue yet, but she's just made remarkable progress and
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that's because of the unbelievable grit and determination that gabby giffords has. so we're all really proud of her and can't wait until she comes back. >> and you know, we're seeing a lot of reports, congresswoman, about what, if anything, she knows or understands about what happened to her? >> well, mark has told her what happened and so she's aware that there was a shooting and that she was -- that she was shot. the other details are going to be shared as they feel like she's, you know, better able to handle them. >> does she recognize you? >> oh, yeah. yeah, she definitely recognizes me. and -- she recognizes everybody that she knows. i mean, i spent the entire day and night -- spent many hours there and was able to talk with her. you know, where she couldn't respond verbally, she shows you with her facial expressions and laughter that she definitely knows what you're saying and who you are. >> let me ask you about this decision to host a fund-raiser
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for, i assume, the -- did mark kelly ask you to do this? was it your idea? how did this idea percolate? >> no, a few of us that are her close friends decided that we knew she was going to need to do exactly what she's been doing, which is concentrate hard on her recovery, on getting better, and not have to worry about being -- having to start from scratch when she does come back in running for re-election. so we planned a kickoff, sort of, fund-raiser in washington to be able to make sure that she can hit the ground running and continue to run for re-election when she comes back and rejoins her colleagues and, you know, can continue to represent the eighth district of arizona. and i understand, you just don't want her to be at any kind of deficit if she is fortunate enough to be able to run. is there any talk, at least in the giffords circle, about a possible senate run? i know some of her colleagues are and i know in arizona, a lot
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of people think, boy, if she were able to run, she would be a strong democratic candidate. >> well, gabby was a potentially strong candidate for the united states senate before the tragedy and she would be when she comes back, but right now, she's absolutely concentrating on getting better, on her recovery, on coming back full strength, and the talk about the possibility of running for the u.s. senate, it's the same kind of buzz that anyone who's a viable candidate in their own state, the buzz is natural, but we're in first things first mode, and we're going to make sure that gabby has the resources she needs to be able to hit the ground running to run for re-election. and when she's fully able to make that decision, she'll do it like all of us do with her families and supporters and friends. >> is mark kelly going to be at the fund-raising event? >> no, he'll be still training. it will be about a month out from his shuttle flight, so he won't be there. >> debbie wasserman schultz,
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thank you. keep in touch with us. >> i will. all right. we'll stay on this topic here. with us now is stu rothenberg, a contributor and columnist for cq "roll call." you shared a personal experience that had to do with brain damage and your son, and you wrote about it in light of all this speculation and talk about the united states senate. why did you decide to write this column? >> i'm kind of conflicted about the whole topic, but once the subject turned away from the congresswoman's health, and first the tragedy, and then the -- now the recovery, to politics, it made me a little uncomfortable. and it's hard to talk about, because i feel like i'm trying to read between the lines sometimes of the news stories -- >> because you knew so much
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about how this worked, about how fast or slow the recovery really is and really isn't? >> i wanted her to kind of bring -- most people, thankfully, don't have to deal with a family member having a traumatic brain injury. i didn't know anything about a rehabilitation hospital. i didn't know about any of these things. and it occurred to me that most people don't. most people, thankfully, don't have this kind of experience. so when i see some stuff on television, i kind of read through the lines, and maybe i'm reading correctly, maybe, sometimes, i'm reading incorrectly, but i thought it was time to write about it when it turned to politics, campaigns with and elections. again, we don't really know what's going on in many respects, i think. there are plenty of news reports on it, but what i saw, sometimes, with my son's experience in the emergency -- in icu for two weeks and rehabilitation hospital for many weeks is kind of different in some respects from what i see on air. >> let me read a portion of what you wrote, you said, "the lack
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of anything negative or even acknowledgement of any definites at all, coming from the congresswoman's family, friends, and medical team makes me wonder whether the widespread reports of progress tell the whole story." your son suffered a brain injury, so you're familiar with the fits and starts, how complicated each story is, and you just want everyone to have a measure of caution as they think or expect some kind of miraculous recovery that would enable her to run for any office. >> exactly. he had an automobile accident, a traumatic brain injury, was found unconscious in the vehicle. the first responder told me after the fact that he didn't think my son would make it to the hospital. but he did. he was on a ventilator for 24 hours. he had a right brain injury, the congresswoman's injury is on the left. he had an automobile accident, she actually was involved in a shooting. so there are significant differences, but i remember talking to all the doctors.
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you know, they always said, two steps forward, a step back. and there are ups and downs and we were on the site, cari, a really good medical site where families can, instead of calling people every day or sending out e-mails to every family member, you can post stuff. and some people are more forthright than others. we were pretty forthright, i think. but it was very clear in talking to the doctors that this is a very up-and-down process. one day is good, one day is bad. i would say to my wife, just focus on today. not tomorrow. >> how's your son today? >> the good news is he's completely recovered. complete recovered. he walked out of the national rehabilitation hospital after almost two months and he had some more outpatient rehabilitation, but he is back to normal. so miracles do happen. so we, of course, hope for the same outcome for the
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congresswoman. >> indeed. well, thank you for sharing your story. appreciate it, stu rothenberg. let's turn to the other news headlines we're following today. president obama is hitting the road, heading to san francisco this afternoon, and he'll meet with business leaders there. will also include steve jobs, mark zuckerberg, and jeff immelt of ge. in bahrain, at least three people were killed in anti-government protests there. bahrain's military is now banning all public gatherings, saying it will take all necessary measures to maintain security. and more protests are expected today at wisconsin's state capital. look at these protests yesterday. this is all over a bill that would strip government workers of nearly all collective bargaining rights. the republican -controlled stat senate is expected to pass this measure later today. and honda is recalling nearly 700,000 compact cars
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around the world. they say a defective spring in the fit, freed, and city models can cause the engine to stall. let's do our trivia. i hope we play that basketball song again. which senator paid $18 million to keep a basketball team from leaving the state? you ask, you receive. >> it has to be -- i was just going to say, if it wasn't wisconsin senator and milwaukee bucks owner herb kohl, who to this day is probably still regretting the glenn "big dog" robinson contract, i don't know what is. herb kohl, by the way, up for e re-election in 2012. we'll be watching. next, one of my favorite guys on the planet is here, bill adair, a great neighbor, is bringing his truthometer right here to our set, busting up some of the lies about the budget. it's good stuff. but first, the white house soup of the day, grab your sombre sombrero, it's chicken tortilla. delicious for a nice springy day. >> and he's going out west, so
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the line. >> i have a '72 volkswagen bug, actually 1972, hurricane andrew destroyed it. >> great little car. the budget battle has turned into a war of words, and with so many numbers flying around, it can be hard to determine who's got the facts and who's stretching the truth. >> so who do with we bring into this? we'll get to the bottom of numb numberpalooza with bill adair, the editor of, and the bureau chief for the spartanbu petersburg times. >> let's do our first statement. this one comes from president obama. let's play what ebs and then fact check it. >> by the middle of this decade, our annual spending will match our annual revenues.
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we will not be adding more to the national debt. >> and the truthometer says what, bill? >> false on the truthometer on politifact for that one. >> oh, sound effects! >> yeah. he is ignoring that the debt is going to increase because of interest payments. so that's some spin and the white house was very consistent yesterday in saying that -- >> keeping the spin. >> yes, in keeping the spin going. but he gets a false for that one. >> so his argument is, the spending doesn't exceed revenues, but they're not counting the interest. >> exactly. they're ignoring that interest, which continues to pile up. >> they're pointing out, that year the deficit would be $712 billion, i believe. so that's all interest on the national debt. >> let me ask you something else he said. he said, almost verbatim, we also want to give rid of spending that is embedded in the tax code. now, i don't think anybody would
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say taxes are, you know, somehow a tax break is spending, but he used interesting language. true, false? what do you make of it? >> that would be somewhere in the middle. we haven't actually done a truthometer ruling on that, but it's a very sly use of words. he's using the spending word, which, of course, would conceivably give him republican appeal, but he would be talking about really tax hikes if you're going to eliminate tax breaks for any constituency, even a narrow one, a big one, the mortgage interest deduction, whatever. so very sly use of words. and i expect we'll hear that as he pushes for changes in the corporate tax code in particular. >> all right. well, the truthometer is equal opportunity if nothing else. let's hear something from speaker boehner. >> over the last two years, since president obama has taken office, the federal government has added 200,000 new federal jobs. and if some of those jobs are lost in this, so be it. >> truthometer says?
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>> another false on the truthometer. and specifically, we're looking at the number, has the federal government added 200,000 new jobs? and the actual number depends on how you count it, somewhere between about 58,000 and under the most generous assumptions, about 140,000. but what boehner's office told us is that they were including census -- temporary census workers on some sort of a discounted basis that they didn't explain. so this one gets a false. it's just not true that it's grown that much. >> and we also want to get supposed presidential candidates, and i'm not sure why this guy is a serious presidential candidate, but some people say he is. let's go to donald trump and one of his claims. >> our current president came out of nowhere, came out of nowhere. in fact, i'll go a step further. the people that went to school with him, they never saw him.
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they don't know who he is. it's crazy! >> all right. verdict on that sort of bizarre rant? >> pants on fire. >> oh, he gets a pants on fire on the truthometer. he -- you know, we looked at this objectively and said, what evidence was there that president obama -- >> was there and president obama -- >> came out of nowhere? >> he's a biological human being. we went to elementary school, high school, college, his time at harvard. there are plenty of people who remember him and talked on the record. pants on fire. this was characterized as the birther dog whistle. it's the kind of message, the people who question his citizenship. >> someone becomes president,
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everyone claims to know him. they come out of the woodwork. thank you so much. >> fantastic. >> speaking of donald trump, he's going to be a guest with chris jansing, coming up in the next hour. we'll see how serious he is about running for president. coming up, before we get to chris jansing, the end in the battle of man versus machine. >> who won? we have to know. follow us on the machine, twitter, to be exact. we'll be right back. she felt lost...
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